
And The Oscar
For Best Mother Goes To...
With three kids--including three-year-old boy-girl twins--and a slew of films coming out this fall and winter, actress Marcia Gay Harden is as busy as a person can be. But her passion for both motherhood and movies is a perfect fit for a city where family life is blooming and celebrated actors are appreciated as good neighbors.
By Sarah Seltzer
On a rainy Friday afternoon
in August, the Harlem home of acclaimed actress Marcia Gay
Harden and her husband Thaddaeus Scheel is pleasantly
chaotic. Harden's twin three-year-olds, Julitta
and Hudson demonstrate their
somersaults and jumping skills with relish, while Harden finishes some movie-related business in her office
upstairs. Then, as soon as she appears the duo
takes a break from tumbling to attack mom with hugs
and kisses, and big sister Eulala (almost 9)--
an actress in her own right--decides to go over her school supply list from the comfortable
perch of Harden's lap. All this while two others in the
family entourage, Harden's personal assistant and the twin's nanny,
navigate several waves of phone calls, emails, coloring book requests,
and dinner preparation.
Though Harden clearly enjoys being at the center of the affectionate
fray, she's soon off to her peaceful office, where she can better
reflect on what she has created in life and on the screen. And she doesn't once mention the little gold man�her Oscar for Pollack�who
is perched un-ostentatiously on a side shelf.
Do you do a lot theatrical stuff with your children?
They're all naturally theatrical
and like performing. We've always had fun doing
made-up plays and talent shows in our home upstate, and we also like
going to shows like the kids version of The Nutcracker. Last December they were
performing the Nutcracker suite--as the mouse,
Clara, and the Nutcracker prince--all the time. They really put themselves into it. It�s a natural function
for children to identify with things they see.
How did you react when you
knew you were about to have twins?
I was absolutely thrilled.
We had been working on having children so it wasn't a surprise.
I wanted more children for the family, more for Eulala, and then
to have both sexes was such a blessing.
And how is having two at once turning out?
It's exhausting. It's joyful. There's a lesson a day, but definitely the
hands are full.I'm working quite a bit so
it's a juggling act with two children
who need you in the exact same or very similar way at the
same stages in lives, but are also very different
people. They both dearly miss one-on-one time with
mom. When each is alone, their behavior transforms.
I'll bet that the twins---Hudson and Julita--feel lucky to have an older, wiser sister. What are some of the joys and challenges of raising a nine-year old?
The joys are many: Eulala and
I have a very close mother-daughter relationship. She's very verbal,
very reasonable. She's creative, has a real sense of play. Upstate we
have a tree house. She picked out colors to paint the inside, and she
likes to play there wearing an old-fashioned dress. She really wants it
to feel colonial. She has a grasp of what that is and allows for the
simplicity of it. With a nine-year-old, one of the greatest challenges
is for the parent is to allow the child to become who she is, not who
TV and commercials want her to be. We really have to monitor that�it
absolutely tells her this is who to be, this is how to dress.
How she does get along with her siblings?
Their level of ability and
activities naturally is different than hers. But there are
are things they all do together--they have easels, for
example, and if Eulala is on hers, the twins will be on
theirs. The noise level is different;
sometimes they're all quite loud. But sometimes the twins get louder--
they're competing for attention--and then Eulala is competing
too. The noise level gets to me. Eulala is very empathetic. When the
babies cry, she doesn�t like seeing how it can put me on edge. I find
that very sweet.
Your older daughter acted with you in the Felicity: An American Girl Adventure movie. What�s it like being in films together?
I'd taken Eulala to see the Samantha movie. I said that was brilliant, I want Eulala to do one, I want to do one. The producer called and said "are you serious?"The role was just little enough that she could do it. And it was set in colonial era so she learned a huge amount. She was totally comfortable on camera, she loved it, and also has a wicked comic sense. Casting directors know about her, and she has turned down a Disney movie.
The whole family discussed
it and agreed that was the best choice.
Were you concerned about the unhealthy climate facing young actresses?
I'm not pushing her to be
an actress. I want her to be to
be a healthy, smart, studious person. There are so few role models of
young actresses who have weathered that crazy age in your late teens.
During that time you're going to be experimenting anyway, but to do
it in public eye, and with money� I cannot imagine want her to go
through that. I look at other examples of girls going through tawdry
public awakenings and I wonder, where are their parents?
Is that one of the reasons you chose to live in NY and not LA?
I enjoyed being in California,
but I feel more alive in New York. I love the culture here, I love the
diversity in NY. The races and classes, all mixed up. Eulalayearns to
go back for the beach, the warmth. But I think it's a tough place for a
girl to grow up. There's an emphasis on beauty because it's the film
and television world, the emphasis on "making it" or "being famous"
and that translates into an emphasis on having the right purse at
$1,000. While she's certainly exposed to some of that with me being an
actor, as a parent your value system has to be shared at early age and
I felt I had a better ability to share it and be truer to myself living
here.
How would you describe your family life in NYC?
I feel like there's so much access to theater, museums, it's just part of what people do.
They go to museums as a playdate! They hook up at these really great cultural places in the city:
the Children's Museum, museum of Natural History, the Met.
You feel the pace--it's a caffeine espresso energy. You're racing,
meeting appointments, scheduling people who help you with your kids.
I like that engagement with the city. I like walking on the street and
I like taking the subway. It's why we live here and what we love,
but it can also be stressful. So we added to that the house
upstate--the Catskills are very raw, unrefined, and we have our property
without any people around.
How does your time upstate differ from time in the city? Is it more low-key?
We do a lot of domestic things
like picking blueberries, having a garden, making a zucchini bread,
and then hikes, and swimming. And the nice thing is the kids
perceive all those things as fun. If I'm going out to
the blackberries and raspberries, they know they have to put on the
long sleeves. I love that because they're learning
about domestic activity,
and they're doing things that involves their
hands, something that's not all about
being in front of a computer or television.
In the city those things come
more into play. Plus, there's the challenge of
getting kids to one class and then to another. In the morning, Thad
and I do everything, then we go off to meetings and we take over again
at bedtime and bath time. I join the kids whenever I can.
Sounds like you've managed
to balance things pretty well--what advice
do you have for working moms who are still figuring out the juggling
act?
The first thing I would say
is get help. That is the only way that I could do what I do. I have
a terrific terrific nanny. She doesn't live with
us; I want to be a mom. But you
have to be willing to be exhausted, willing to be tired. My husband is
also hands-on, and each spouse has to define their help needs.
You can't just say "the woman does this, the man does that."
You've chosen to raise your family in a brownstone in the the Morningside Heights/ Harlem neighborhood you lived in when you came to the city. How did that come about?
We looked at a lot of these places. We could afford the size of this place, as opposed to the same size south of 96th street, and we thought we'd be comfortable. It was a neighborhood in transition. We had two concerns: the first was that the neighborhood suffered from the crack epidemic in the 1980s so there were and are vestiges of that dissipation. Point two was that we wanted to be sure that we wouldn�t be a part of turning the area into an a place with an all-white Baby Gap on every corner.
You are obviously satisfied on that point. So can gentrification be good? Or do you still worry about it?
When we first looked here we
saw that the services were not great, that this part of city had been
shunned. It's nice that it is more diverse economically and racially
now. There's more of a flow. The key is that it maintains the cultural
heritage of Harlem. I think the people who are here are
glad to see the drugs go, to see the burned out buildings go, to see
125th street thriving. There's a goodness here, and it's more than
just Columbia housing coming in. Plus we love the home, we love the
brownstone, it's a wide brownstone. Maya Angelou lives down the street,
we've met so many nice neighbors, and have a real good feeling about
living here.
You
also do work with Hale House, which is a Harlem institution.
I work with a lot of different
charities, but Hale House is an especially interesting one
because they�re in the neighborhood. They were a great cause, they
lost footing a few years ago,
and they've been re-founded. They offer fantastic
services for children like pre-school and sanctioned
foster care, and they help people working through drug issues. With
Hale House arund, parents don�t lose their kids
forever, they don't just get sent off and given over to the government
to handle. So it's an interesting and worthy cause. ,
How do you get your kids involved with charitable causes?
Eulala went with me with to
the Ronald McDonald House for kids with cancer. Some of the
girls were going into surgery, and we brought
caps for them, and we brought the Felicity movie and signed
it. It really pops that bubble of "hanging out with the unfortunate"
and I do say that dripping with quotation marks, because those girls were not to be pitied even though
the condition is to be pitied. The girls we met were heroes, so strong. so incredible and so full of life, handling fear
with aplomb and grace. So for Eulala it wasn't "there but for the
grace of God go I." It was "Oh my gosh, I want
to be like these girls."
And then there's your
day job.
You have five films coming out.
Let�s start with
Into The Wild, which is now
being advertised on billboards.
It's a Sean-Penn directed
film based on the Jon Krakauer's book of the same name [about an interesting
and promising young guy, who ventures off into the Alaska wilderness
alone]. It's so poetic, a journey about
people shunning corporate advertising and downsizing, and coming into
a real contact and understanding of the human soul. The independent
spirit of being alone in nature, not in the city, not even in middle America. It's about being in the elements
with only what you need to survive, and
Sean did a brilliant job directing it.
And what else is on deck for this year and next?
Canvas is touring festivals. I
play a paranoid schizophrenic against the brilliant Joe Pantoliano.
It's won like every audience award at the festivals.
In Rails and Ties, I play a woman who is dying of cancer. Kevin bacon plays my husband who�s been in terrible accident.
It's dark, sad but the director doesn't pepper you with music. And
A Christmas Cottage is a Thomas Kinkade story. We wanted to make
sure it wasn't sappy, but still idealistic. I had
a most wonderful time doing it, and an extraordinary three days with Peter
O'Toole. He had the curiosity and delight of a boy on the set.
And you're in a Stephen King adaptation too?
The Mist is like a Lord of the Flies situation. I play a religious paranoid woman, with apocalyptic visions. As the bugs come in, she finds her power. It was a blast to do--trying to do a minute human story in the midst of giant bugs!
Like a lot of your films, these sound pretty intense. Have you decided how old your kids will be before you let them watch your films?
There's no set date. I'll let them see films when it's appropriate. Eulala's seen maybe two. I let her see The Bad News Bears. There was a lot of cursing, but it was okay because I happen to curse. Frankly, it's not so much about her being scared at certain movies. It's more that she would be bored or wouldn't get it. Half of raising a kid is common sense. You can't think, "What do other people do?" You have to listen to your heart, listen to yourself.